Why the SCOTUS Guantanamo Decision Is Meaningless

Submitted by Uncle Mikey on 30 June, 2006 - 12:12.

Lots of noise is being noised about the Supreme Court's 5-3 decision ruling the military tribunals contrary to military law and the Geneva Convention. Some folks seem to be under the impression that this means the end of Gitmo, or that the Administration has been told that everything it's doing is Bad and Wrong.

It isn't, and it hasn't.

What the Administration has been told -- and admittedly quite sternly -- is that it acted without the support of the law. That is, Congress never told the Bush administration it could set up tribunals like this. The Uniform Code of Military Justice does not contain any definition that can be applied here. It's also been told that its information gathering methods are a violation of the Geneva Conventions and that the Conventions do apply to these detainees.

The latter is somewhat significant. It means that all the various ways the Administration has twisted its words and meanings to make it sound like these people were not deserving of Geneva Convention treatment is bullshit. That doesn't mean they'll stop doing it, because the SCOTUS has no enforcement power (you knew that, right?). It just means that they can no longer use that particular argument.

The former, however, is meaningless. Now, the administration will go to the Republican-controlled Congress and say, "Fix it". Congress will fix it the same way they're fixing the illegal-wiretapping problem -- by making it legal despite the fact that it's Bad and Wrong. And then, the Administration will go back to doing what it's been doing.

So, you see, no real victory here. Some stern words for an Administration we already think are Bad and Wrong. But put away the brass bands and the confetti, because exactly nothing will change.

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Oh, there you are.

#39 On 14 August, 2006 13:25 dtfriedman said,

Hullo from Silicon Valley!

I was daydreaming about Gerry Lasso (z"l), and decided to Google him. And here you popped up! How's tricks?
(You can respond, if you like, to the Yahoo mail account with which I registered. I can then furnish you with my real, personal address, and update you on the story of my life.)

Now, I turn my attention to actually including something relevant to your entry on which I'm supposed to be commenting:

You're right that the Administration's manipulations amount to bullshit. An equally big pile of bullshit, however, is Geneva itself.

The Geneva Conventions ("GC") seem pretty well outmoded for warfare against our new enemies in the Arab/Islamic world. Can you think of a case--from Gulf War I, to the Israeli MIAs, to the Summer of Beheadings--where our enemies have ever treated our POWs in any fashion vaguely resembling Geneva?

(I would much rather have been at Post-Saddam Abu Ghraib, or Guantanamo--with my Koran and three squares a day--than in an Arab dungeon being tortured and possibly beheaded in a Webcast.)

(I'm sure you've seen many of the terrible photos from Abu Ghraib. But have you stopped to view any of the beheading videos, which are easily enough viewable online? Or the more recent video where they danced around with the mutilated remains of our two kidnapped soldiers?)

A major point of GC is to provide standards for treatment of detainees. The engine that drives it--as any treaty--however, is reciprocity. Absent reciprocity, our only sensible choice is to exact so high a cost from the enemy that they dare not abuse our prisoners.

But if all we've captured are jihadis who even welcome death, then how do we try to deter bad behavior from our enemies? Collective punishment seems to be the answer. The jihadis may welcome death; their non-jihadi family members probably don't. (This is germane to the discussion because GC also bans collective punishment.)

When we start prosecuting this war as fiercely as we did the one against Japan (where both sides--not just Tokyo--abused their prisoners and indulged in massive collective punishment), we will start to see results. Japan has its own jihadis, of course--the kamikazes--and, yet, General Le May, et al., succeeded in reaching a satisfactory conclusion to the war.

Finally, it's worth noting that our vicious treatment of Japan--military and civilian alike--sowed the seeds for a peaceful occupation and a rehabilitated, democratic Japan. In this important sense, what seemed horrible in the short run produced the most humane results in the long term. (Even as the A-bombs were more humane for the Japanese than a conventional invasion would have been.)

Indeed, Japanese public education right after the war didn't take the German route of self-recrimination and agony over their various sins. Rather, the textbooks simply said: "We got the absolute shit beaten out of us due to militaristic policies. Let's never go down that road again."

Conclusion: The GCs themselves are completely irrelevant, and, counterintuitively, lead to inhumane outcomes.

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